February 24, 2018
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Meet the guys from Kegenix: Rob Rogers and Gary Millet. These fellas are true experts in ketosis and ketones, and we take a deep dive into ketosis (and how to get into ketosis in under 60 minutes) on today's show.
Rob graduated from the University of San Diego and played professional baseball with the Cleveland Indians. After finishing his baseball career he has been a serial entrepreneur. As an athlete he has always been focused on health, nutrition, exercise and biohacking – what you can do to make yourself better. His wanting to know what is the newest and the best led him to meet with Dominic D’Agostino to learn about ketosis and ketones. After many discussions with Dom, Rob and his partner Gary Millet licensed the worldwide rights to Dom’s technology and are now fully immersed and committed to ketones, specifically exogenous ketones.
In addition to being co-founder of Kegenix, Gary Millet headed up the development and commercialized the Kegenix product, utilizing the unique patented technology of Dr. Dominic D’Agostino, licensed world-wide from the University of South Florida. Mr. Millet is responsible for springboarding the popularity of the ketone supplementation movement and is one of the key authorities on Keto Eating, Ketone Supplementation, Keto Protocols and Keto Coaching. Mr. Millet is also involved in strategic marketing, and the inventor of the Quad BHB Salts pending patent.
During our discussion, you'll discover:
-The unique technology the Gary and Rob licensed from Dominic D. Agostino…[9:30]
-Why you would want combine MCT oil with exogenous ketones…[11:00]
-The patent that Gary and Rob hold on “Compositions and methods for producing elevated and sustained ketosis”…[14:30]
-How to raise blood ketones and lower blood glucose at the same time…[50:18]
-If there are any health risks to having blood ketones and blood glucose simultaneously elevated…[24:25]
-Why wouldn't you just fast and limit carbohydrates to get into ketosis…[28:45]
-Why Rob and Gary added BHB Quad Salts with Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT’s) to Kegenix Prime…[34:40]
-The reasoning behind the different salt forms of beta-hydroxybutyrate in Keto Meal (e.g. cal, mag, potassium, etc.)…[37:50]
-Why Kegenix does not use ketone esters in its products…[45:45]
-Why Rob and Gary added AAKG (known for its ability to increase nitric oxide production) with glucuronolactone to Keto Spray…[47:50]
-Rob and Gary's take is your take on exogenous ketone dosing in terms of how much, how often, what time of day and why…[53:40]
-How to measure your levels of ketosis…[57:25]
-And much more!
Resources from this episode:
–Kegenix – use discount Greenfield for 10% off
-Gary's recipe for “Kegenix Caramel-Mocha Shake”
Ingredients:
-Cold Water or Brewed Coffee: 8 – 9 oz
-Kegenix Chocolate KETOMEAL: 2 Scoops
-Organic Instant Coffee or Brewed Coffee: 1 tbs
-Honeyville Powdered Peanut Butter: 1 tbs
-DairyGold 40% Cream 1 or other organic heavy cream – 2oz
-Eden Gourmet Caramel Flavored Syrup 2 squirts (or Omica Organic Stevia)
Instructions:
-Into your VitaMix or other blender, pour in the cold water or brewed coffee followed by all ingredients. Blend at low speed until thoroughly mixed. Serve in a 20 oz cup over ice.
–Levl device for measuring ketones
–Which Ketone Supplement Works Best: Ketone Salts vs. Ketone Esters With Dr. Dominic D’Agostino
–Four New, Cutting-Edge Ways To Easily Shift Your Body Into Fat-Burning Mode & Ketosis
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Do you have questions, thoughts or feedback for Rob, Gary or me? Leave your comments below and one of us will reply!
Hey Ben,
Quick question, How efficient is the transition into and sustainability of ketosis with a vegan diet?
Have you come across any credible research on this topic?
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Thanks
Dr.T
Hi Ben, they talked about Ketones being the preferred source of fuel (over glucose). Do you know of the literature they were referring to?
Thanks
From Gary: "We were all taught that glucose was the body’s preferred fuel, but that myth has recently been exploded. Here are just some of the reasons why ketones are preferred. They have 2.5x greater energy per gram than glucose, produces 10x less free radicals when processed, required a “pull” metabolic strategy to get the glucose into the cell via the carrier insulin where ketones utilize a “push” strategy requiring no carrier to get into the cell, a taken up by the brain and other essential organs in preference to glucose, and ketones once produced cannot be converted back into any other substrate, thus they are either used or lost, thus the body’s intention when it encounters ketones is to preferentially use them. Hope that makes sense and helps."
For the levl device – your discount code is 25% or 25$? I was interested in buying it at 25% off but idk about 25$.
It is $25.
Hey Ben,
You say you have Coffee and BHB Salts, What BHB have you been using in your coffee? How does it affect the taste?
Hi, this resource will answer your question: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/podcast/low-carb…
So, Ben if you are racing, would you take per hour: 2 T Ketone Salts (including the MCT), 5 gEAA, 2 grams Taurine, Magnesium, Vespa, and Superstarch?
Hi Nicky. Check out my article, How to Get into Ketosis, where I lay out my racing plan.
I can’t seem to find the ingredients list for their products – can anyone point me to this? All I can find are some low resolution images of the packaging which I can’t make out…
If you hover over each product image, it will magnify it so it's easily readable.
Thanks. Can make them out now.
I suggest they have a separate ingredients listing in the product descriptions (if they’re reading this :)). Having to squint at blurry images (and tip my head sideways for the keto spray image) isn’t a phenomenal UX…
It looks like a few things came up that were important. The protocol wasn’t there for considering high glucose levels before taking the product, the background knowledge wasn’t either as it seemed you needed to lead them often times , and the ingredients are also sub par.
Ben , i love your stuff , why not pull the rip cord if this product isn’t what you’d take yourself as a top product or I’d you know and recommend other, healthier products out there backed by more research?
I’m sure they have good intentions , but it looks like they are rushing into a hot product field and need to do more homework first. I’m sure they’ll succeed but some tweaks would be very helpful for your audience.
So I’d vote to not see a discount just bc you did the podcast. It’s be good to see some where you provide the insightful constructive feedback that some things can be improved.
Won’t get as many clicks i know but you have great credibility and it would only enhance it!
Thanks
they all sounded great .. but think there’s only one I can buy
because the use Sucralose .. and cyanocobalamin and folic acid
nope and nope sorry got to go the extra mile for this crowd
Why cyanocobalamin and folic acid vs. methylcobalamin and folate in the Ketomeal? The science is consistent and replete with the deleterious problems from both cyanocobalamin and folic acid. This seems like an ill-considered, corner-cutting manufacturing choice vs. what’s best for customer.
Also, why not use a non-denatured (and pastured) whey vs. isolate? You can match protein levels without damaging critical beneficial whey properties such as lactoferrin, immunoglobulins, glycomacropeptide, and other health promoting compounds. Isolate manufacturing destroys these.
Thanks.
Agree this seems odd (re cyanocobalamin and folic acid). I find it strange and surprising when a company tries to develop a new leading product in a particular genre but then make simple mistakes like this that suggest there isn’t a lot of science or foundational expertise behind the development of the formulations. The issues with cyanocobalamin and folic acid are very well known and there’s no reason to use them when there are far superior alternatives.
I also note the Keto Spray has not one, but *three* nasty preservatives, WTF?!?
Here’s just a small sample from 5 minutes googling.
Potassium Sorbate:
“However, two studies have shown that potassium sorbate has the potential to mess with our DNA. In one study, PS is clearly seen to be genotoxic to the human peripheral blood lymphocytes (white blood cells). In another study, potassium sorbate mixed with ascorbic acid (vitamin C, which is present in many foods), caused mutagenicity and DNA-damaging activity. the risk demonstrated in the studies is very low, but it is statistically significant.”
https://www.fooducate.com/app#!page=post&id=5… (includes links to the studies mentioned above)
Sodium Benzoate:
“Another consideration is a possible link between sodium benzoate and ADHD (attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder). The Mayo Clinic notes that the preservative (as well as several food dyes) may enhance or trigger hyperactivity in children.
In a laboratory study, scientists evaluated the genotoxic impact of sodium benzoate in cultured human cells. They found that the chemical significantly increased damage to DNA (which triggers cell mutation and cancer) when it was added to the cells in various concentrations.”
http://naturallysavvy.com/eat/this-is-why-sodium-…
Sodium Hexametaphosphate:
“This chemical is thought to put you at greater risk of pancreatic cancer. It has other side effects, as well.”
https://www.wowremedies.com/is-sodium-hexametapho…
What are these guys doing? How can you develop “health” products and not do your basic homework, I just don’t understand. I’m sorry folks, products like these lose all credibility and deserve no place on the market. The industry is already littered with way too many pseudo-health products with nasty ingredients which most laymen don’t understand the dangers of. The health industry needs to take more responsibility so I’m really disappointed with these guys.
Couldn’t agree more. The Keto Spray product is especially troublesome, I would not ingest those toxins into my body, it’s definitely not a clean product.
I was excited about the keto meal substitute, until I noticed it is made with sunflower oil. I see Ample now has a keto version. The ingredients look really good. Do you have any experience with it?
Great Podcast Ben, as usual! Wondering when the best time would be to integrate the Kegenix Prime supplement into an intermittent fasting diet. If my normal eating window is between 2pm and 6pm…I’m wondering if taking Prime at 2pm will keep me up at night (I can’t have caffeine after 2pm or I never sleep). Would it be best to shift my eating window forward (8am-12pm) and take this in the morning as I’m breaking my fast? Would love to have the benefits of this energy during my day at school/work.
Thoughts?
Thank you!
Oh cool, I should check this out, apparently they have phenomenal reviews on amazon because that’s what the guys said in the podcast….. **checks out amazon** oookey, everyone is complaining that the old formula was far better than the new formula that’s in the tub, you seemingly get 1/3 of what you got originally for the same price. The pouches provided 15 servings while the tub also contains 15 servings but people claim there is realistically 5 servings if you actually what the get into ketosis, so it’s $50 for 5 days.