Believing that you should never hesitate to trade your cow for a handful of magic beans…
…my friend and my guest on today's podcast—Ronan Levy—has built a career out of doing things that others say cannot be done.
Ronan Levy started his career as a securities lawyer at Blake, Cassels & Graydon LLP but left that after realizing he was much too creative for the profession of law. Since then, Ronan Levy has helped launch businesses across a number of industries from gold, to cannabis, and, most recently, in psychedelics where he is a co-founder and the Executive Chairman of Field Trip Health Ltd. (NASDAQ: FTRP), a global leader in the development and delivery of psychedelic therapies. When not being thoroughly incorrigible, Ronan Levy lives in Toronto with his wife and two children. He's also the host of the podcast “Field Tripping,” on which I've been a guest in this episode.
Ronan Levy first joined me on my podcast for the episode ‘Microdosing, Biohacking Plant Medicines, Psychedelic-Assisted Psychotherapy, & More – How “Field Trip Health” Works For Ketamine, MDMA, DMT, Psilocybin, & Beyond!“, in which we discussed Field Trip Health, Inc., the world's first mental wellness company focused on psychedelics and psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, which at the time was opening the first medical centers—first in Toronto, then in Chicago, New York, Seattle, Houston, Atlanta, Stamford, and LA—dedicated exclusively to the administration of psychedelics, in a “spa-like” setting.
During our discussion, you'll discover:
-A brief overview of Field Trip Health and its unsexy products…07:06
- Previous podcast with Ronan Levy:
- FT104 – Field Trip's 100 series 4th molecule
- Ben's appearance on Ronan's Field Tripping Podcast
- Field Trip is expanding quickly in lieu of the psychedelic renaissance
-Various ways Field Trip Health provides therapy and psychedelic journeys…13:45
- Trip App Ronan Levy mentions
- The app assists in understanding the products and various treatments in a clinical setting
- Legality issues make it difficult to recommend specific parameters on use
- The app has various tracks at different lengths for different types of journeys
- East Forest music
- Voice notes to record your thoughts and memos during your journey
-How a clinical experience differs from a home or app experience…16:13
- Wired magazine article that Ben mentions
- Ketamine is currently the only legal psychedelic in the U.S.
- Safe environment with a therapist with you the whole time
- Hang out after the session until the medicine wears off
- You want to stay in that space as long as possible
-Psychedelics beside ketamine we may see legalized in the near future…20:20
- MDMA assisted therapy for PTSD treatment, and eventually for anybody dealing with depression and anxiety
- Psilocybin in California, Canada, and more
- LSD (more challenging because of longer trip time)
-Cost considerations for psychedelic journeys now and in the future…23:36
- Ketamine experience is currently $750 soup to nuts
- Cost is comparable to a therapist with conventional treatment
- Costs of LSD or psilocybin treatment will depend on the cost of the drugs
- Lots of incentives for insurance companies to cover such treatments once the drugs are legalized
-Ronan's own experience with a Field Trip clinic…28:22
- Video of Ronan asking Elon Musk a question about psychedelics
- Like seeing the beating heart of the universe
- It's not all bliss and wonder; it's a functional life force
- People often report a transcendent, meeting-God type experience with ketamine
- Intramuscular injection vs. an IV gives a more intense ride with neurobiology benefits that go with it
-The history of Field Trip Health's psilocybin-mimicking drug…38:12
- FT104 is considered a “prodrug”
- 70% report cure of PTSD in clinical MDMA trials
- Generating an ROI without a patent is very difficult
- Logistical issues often make clinical treatments impractical
- FT104 mimics the effects of psilocybin
- Cut the trip in half, without affecting the therapeutic outcomes
- Operates on the same receptors as psilocybin, but doesn't bind for as long a period of time, and binds more quickly
- Faster onset, shorter duration, faster offset
- Microdosing FT104 isn't a high priority at the moment
- FT104 is still being tested only on animals
- FDA approval is expected in the next 4-5 years
-Other things about Field Trip and psychedelics Ronan is excited about…51:20
- Community programs
- Training programs are forthcoming
- It's not about the medicine, it's about how the medicine improves the lives of those who take it
- The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku
-And much more…
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Resources from this episode:
– Ronan Levy:
- Field Trip Health
- Microdosing, Biohacking Plant Medicines, Psychedelic-Assisted Psychotherapy, & More – How “Field Trip Health” Works For Ketamine, MDMA, DMT, Psilocybin, & Beyond!
- Field Trip Health Ltd. Provides Update on FT-104, Its Next Generation Psychedelic Molecule in Development
- Field Trip Health Ltd. to Pursue Treatment Resistant Depression and Postpartum Depression as Indications for FT-104
- On Your Next Psychedelic Journey, Let an App Be Your Guide
- Ben Greenfield On the Field Tripping Podcast
– Other Resources:
- The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku
- Trip App
- East Forest Music
- Long-term follow-up outcomes of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for treatment of PTSD: a longitudinal pooled analysis of six phase 2 trials
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