Healthy Eating & Fitness For Kids, How Unschooling Works, Top Book Recommendations, Common Kitchen Mistakes & Much More: Ben Greenfield Puts His Sons River & Terran In The Hot-Seat.

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River and Terran Greenfield are my twin 12-year-old sons. They are unschooled, hyper-creative, can survive in the wilderness with a knife, backpack, and wool blanket, know more kitchen and cooking tricks than most adults (and have an amazing cooking podcast), and they are generally crushing life.

So, in this very special episode, I put my twin boys in the podcasting hot seat to discuss life, creativity, cooking, healthy eating for kids, fitness, and much more.

During this discussion, you'll discover:

-Best breakfast to crush the day…4:40

-How to tell River and Terran apart, especially on audio…6:50

  • The twins address each other by name…

-Books River and Terran like to read…8:15


-Unschooling and becoming self-directed learners…19:04

  • Essay by Naval Ravikant that Ben mentions on the 5 core skills needed for life
    • Reading
    • Writing (long-form)
    • Logic and/or computer programming
    • Arithmetic
    • Rhetoric/persuasion
  • Poor Charlie's Almanack by Charlie Munger
  • Mathnasium program River and Terran use for their schooling
  • Unschooling allows learning how the world works alongside the subjects being learned (math, logic, etc.)
  • Advantages of AI and robots outweigh the negatives (skills becoming obsolete)
  • Rhetoric game (board or the app)
  • Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em; then tell 'em; then tell 'em what you told 'em

-A typical evening in the Greenfield home…35:00

-An average day for River and Terran…37:35

-Favorites things River and Terran do for their fitness…44:30

-River and Terran's diet tips…50:45

-Whether or not there exists a perfect diet all humans should follow…54:40

  • Mediterranean diet seems more agreeable than other diets
  • Eating with people, long family dinners
  • Making your own food helps you appreciate it more
  • Easy to overeat from packages vs. food prepared yourself

-River and Terran's views on screen time and video games…57:00

  • They both have an iPod Touch, which is for business purposes (podcast)
  • Computer used mostly for school

-About the GoGreenfields cooking podcast…59:15

  • Started 4+ years ago
  • Began learning to cook at age of 3 (made mom eggs for Mother's Day)
  • The Four Hour Chef by Tim Ferris
  • Eggs are a great starting point for learning to cook
  • Favorite recipes:
  • Top baking tip from Terran: Don't overcook; don't rely on looks to determine if it's done
  • Top risotto tip from River: Keep stirring, pay attention constantly
  • Top tip from the chef: Don't add too many seasonings; keep it simple
  • Clean up as you go
  • Pay attention to recipes

-Tips on hunting and plant foraging…1:09:30

  • Do it a lot at home to appreciate the diversity in other locales
  • Bowhunting is more natural and dependent on physicality than hunting with a rifle

-How to care for yourself spiritually…1:12:45

-River and Terran's own life purposes…1:15:30

  • “To make the love and joy of God through writing and art”
  • “To use my art to make people feel strong emotions”

-River and Terran's take on 2020 with COVID-19, lockdowns, masks, etc…1:16:35

  • They enjoy seeing dad more
  • Different reactions with kids vs. adults

-One thing River and Terran think everyone should know or experience…1:19:40

-And much more!

Click here for the full written transcript of this podcast episode.

Resources from this episode:

– River and Terran's podcast GoGreenfields

– Podcasts and articles:

– Books, graphic novels, and games:

– Food and supplements:

– Other resources:

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Do you have questions, thoughts, or feedback for River Greenfield, Terran Greenfield, or me? Leave your comments below and one of us will reply!

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8 thoughts on “Healthy Eating & Fitness For Kids, How Unschooling Works, Top Book Recommendations, Common Kitchen Mistakes & Much More: Ben Greenfield Puts His Sons River & Terran In The Hot-Seat.

  1. Chris says:

    I really enjoyed this podcast, even though I don’t have children myself. I learned tons of valuable tips.

    One tip that I’ve been implementing the past few months is to write one page book reports. I think it allows me to be more present with the book. I also believe that it helps me to put more of the material into action.

    I also love Telestrations. Great game choice!

  2. Laura says:

    This was so so lovely. What a beautiful family. River and Terran are such intelligent and thoughtful boys. I feel very inspired to implement some of your family rituals to bring some calm and connection to our household. 💗

  3. Sami says:

    One of my favorite podcasts! I even started listening to their cooking show and it is so great! Would love if you had them on again!

  4. Jim says:

    You’re a good dad.

  5. Hope says:

    Hi, I was wondering what do they use for learning Spanish?

  6. pei says:

    They seem to be well rounded kids and a role model for their younger generation. I haven’t read fit soul book yet but like to know whether there is a chapter being written by them is included. It could be something you can work on for next book with your sons.

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