[00:01:31] Podcast Sponsors
[00:03:56] Guest Introduction
[00:06:46] Personal Oral Care Regimens
[00:23:37] An Overview Of Holistic Dentistry
[00:35:11] Podcast Sponsors
[00:38:06] The Link Between The Nervous System And The Teeth
[00:50:56] Whether Or Not Wisdom Teeth Really Need To Be Removed
[00:58:43] How Chewing Assists With The Production Of TH-17 Immune Factor Cells
[01:07:48] What Pellicles Are, And How Saliva Helps Take Care Of Them
[01:20:46] How To Find A Holistic Dentist Near You
[01:22:22] Closing the Podcast
[01:23:39] End of Podcast
Ben: On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.
Dominik: Whenever you talk about chronic inflammations, consider looking into your mouth and finding somebody who is specialized and skilled to remove it and do this in an all-in-one concept. The most metal you will find in regular patients will be in your mouth, then you have little antenna in your system. The normal dentist is only interested in can you buy it on your teeth or not. And the only question your dentist is asking you —
Ben: Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.
Alright, we are going to talk to a dentist today, a holistic dentist whose book that I read blew my mind when it comes to all the ins and outs of dentistry that I was really unaware of. And so, I think you're going to really, really dig this show with this dude who's got a sick accent. I often get asked about my own teeth and I can tell you one thing about my own teeth, which I try to keep pretty white and pretty straight via my practice of coconut oil pulling and a nightly brush. My teeth are not dyed brown, yet I drink three to four cups of coffee a day. And, coffee is not going to dye your teeth, it's a myth, especially if you take care of your teeth like I do. But the coffee I drink is USDA organic. It's specialty grade. It's free of mold, mycotoxins, yeast, and pesticides. It's abso-freaking-lutely delicious. You deserve better than cheap sludge, my friends.
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Alright, folks. I've said this before on the podcast, but I don't actually go to a regular dentist. No, no, no, for reasons that I've actually talked about a few times in the past in previous episodes I've done on something called holistic dentistry. I do not personally step foot near a “regular” dental office, instead, because I understand just how profound it impacts my teeth, my gums, and my tongue, and my oral cavity have on my entire biological system, I only work with a holistic dentist. In my case, a guy named Dr. Craig Simmons at the holistic dental center in Spokane. And due to my strong interest in this whole matter of dental health and holistic dentistry, I recently read this really fantastic new book called “It's All in Your Mouth,” and it goes into a bunch of kind of like European medical concepts that we haven't even adapted or adopted, whatever the word would be.
Here in the U.S., when it comes to caring for our mouth, our mouth microbiome, understanding everything from root canals to wisdom teeth to a whole bunch of things that I really hadn't come across before when it comes to dental hygiene and dental health. The book was written by Dr. Dominik Nischwitz, who's a dentist, but also, interestingly, a naturopathic physician. So, he specializes in biological dentistry and ceramic implants, and he's also the President of the International Society of Medical or Metal Free Implantology, which is a mouthful. So, he actually also co-founded something called DNA Health and Aesthetics, the Center for Biological Dentistry with his father in Germany.
So, he is coming to us. He is my podcast guest today, by the way. He wrote the book, and he's coming to us from a–actually, I don't think he's in Germany. I think he's in a–if I'm correct, Dominik, you're in a hotel room in the U.S, am I correct?
Dominik: Totally correct, Ben. I'm sitting here in New Orleans in the western.
Ben: Wow. Interestingly, are there many things there in the south that you're concerned about when it comes to your teeth like grits, for example? We're not supposed to grit our teeth, right?
Dominik: Yeah. It's true. Thank you very much for having me, Ben.
Ben: Yeah. Absolutely. There's all sorts of things I want to dive into in the book. And by the way, for those of you listening in, I'll put all the shownotes over at BengGreenfieldFitness.com/allinyourmouth. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/allinyourmouth.
But before I actually dive into questions I have about everything from pellicles to EMFs to all these things you talk about in the book, Dominik, I want to hear you walk me through a day of how you personally care for your mouth, like a guy who's on the cutting edge of holistic dentistry like you are. I'm just curious. Are you sticks out of trees to floss your teeth? Are you eating some kind of teeth enhancing superfood? What's your day look like for you specifically when it comes to the way that you care for your teeth?
Dominik: So, it's basically not too extreme. I will just brush my teeth regularly. Of course from a biological point of view, we don't use anything unnatural in your mouth. That means I have a toothpaste, which is fluoride-free, which is a no-brainer, and basically, only contains like natural substances. I try a lot of different things because they all send me this stuff to test, but I think a coconut oil base and some maybe Ayurvedic herbs with it are a great way to start for your mouth. But, yeah, it's actually more the daily lifestyle and nutrition part, which is important for your oral microbiome or your oral cavity than the actual, like brushing your teeth because in nature, you probably won't brush, or like you said, maybe get a stick from a tree and rub the calculus or the plaque off. But, if you have like a good lifestyle and, yeah, it comes down to basically everything you would always recommend for your patients.
Ben: Oh, that's kind of a boring answer, man. Do you do floss, for example?
Dominik: Yes. No, I don't floss and I do not actually recommend floss for several reasons. Of course, if you have a mouth full of amalgam fillings and like crowns and stuff, you probably have to do that. But if you have a natural mouth like total healthy teeth, I wouldn't emphasize on flossing because the gum around your teeth is kind of like a–yeah, it's kind of like outside body. And most people, if they floss, it'll bleed a little bit, so you will have like tiny micro-ruptures in your gingiva, which will then open to your whole system. It's kind of like leaky gum before we even talk about leaky gut where it starts.
And, you have to be very precise in doing flossing, and I'm not sure if anybody is able to do that. Normally, the patients I see, they will just pull it down and it will always bleed. They will always tell you, “It's going to bleed. Why should I floss?” So, I don't do it because of the gingiva being tightly connected to your tooth. And if you're healthy and not inflamed in your mouth, it's a superstructure and it's outside body.
Ben: Now, what about like a Waterpik?
Dominik: I just personally don't use Waterpiks. You could probably use that. It's more like go as natural as possible, but of course, if you want to enhance it a little bit, maybe you could use a Waterpik or you could use maybe an electric toothbrush because most people maybe brush a little bit too hard, which can happen where you can also break down your enamel, if you brush or grind too hard with the toothpaste. You should also not include many particles that whitening the teeth because if they're whitening, most of the time, those are abrasive particles, if I can say that.
Ben: What would be an example of a particle that would whiten the teeth?
Dominik: Yeah. It's mostly silica-based or something like this, just abrasives. They are in the parts per million, but still over time if you brush your teeth, let's say, two times a day for the next 20 years, you will maybe grind down a little bit of enamel and the enamel is, yeah, very important as a protection of your tooth.
Ben: Sorry to keep interrupting. I have so many questions here. So, you're saying that there is a component of toothpaste that we should look for that's an abrasive that would wear down the enamel of our teeth. Is there a certain abrasive that you're referring to?
Dominik: Sometimes it's silica or silicone dioxide. Just look for abrasives. And, that's mostly the part that in whitening–I actually don't know how it would be called in English, but I think silica is kind of the thing you're looking for. And also, be aware of all the stuff that makes your toothpaste white, which is titanium dioxide. So, also natural toothpaste contains titanium dioxide. It's sometimes also referred as E171. And titanium dioxide is just like very immunological problematic and also a toxin.
Ben: And you say that that's found in natural toothpaste as well?
Dominik: Yeah. Basically, when it's a white substance, kind of like the coating of your chewing gum or also the white toothpaste–most toothpastes are white, also the natural ones. I just bought one here at the Whole Foods. It's also white. It's mostly titanium dioxide E171. It's something you just don't need to put into your body from a biological point of view.
Ben: Okay. So, in terms of toothpaste, you talked about things that could wear away enamel. And I know that recently, I believe it was a British journal article on charcoal toothpaste, this article actually is something that appeared in a vice article on “Health Myths Debunked.” And I actually reported in a podcast some time ago that after reading that study, I quit using charcoal because of the concern there that charcoal could damage enamel. Now, later on, and since then, upon doing some further digging, what I've found is that you can gauge what's called the abrasiveness safety in tooth enamel products or tooth enamel care.
So, there's something called I guess a Moh scale, M-O-H scale, to determine if a substance is too abrasive for the enamel. And, when you look at the Moh hardness value of activated charcoal, it's actually very low. It's like one to two compared to what I think is five for tooth enamel and like two and a half-ish for tooth dentin. So, activated charcoal technically should not abrade or scratch the teeth during brushing because it's significantly less hard than enamel and then denting. So, based on that, why is it do you think that the British journal would recommend not to use something like these charcoal toothpaste? Are you familiar with that article?
Dominik: Actually, I haven't read the article, I just listened to this on your podcast probably because I heard about that. Like you said, you dug further into it so if it's not abrasive–I wouldn't have had any problems with the activated charcoal.
Ben: They say in the article that people who brush frequently and vigorously for extended periods of time, when you actually read the article, using activated charcoal were the people who are getting some abrasive action against the teeth. So, I think part of it might be excess brushing or using a brush that's too hard. That's what I would hazard guess about. But when you look at activated charcoal, the other thing is there's something called I guess the relative dentin abrasivity or the RDA. And the RDA of Crest is like above 100, and Colgate is pretty high, and activated charcoal is actually pretty low. Apparently, they say anything over 200 is considered unsafe for the teeth. An activated charcoal is like 70 to 90-ish. So, I think the issue here, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts about this, is a very firm brush or brushing really frequently and vigorously. And for a long period of time, if you're using activated charcoal, then it might become an issue with wearing away the tooth enamel. Is that reasonable do you think?
Dominik: I think that's totally reasonable, and if you're saying that Colgate is actually even more abrasive. And, yes, brushing too firm, that's where I was blanking, is the most problematic with the toothbrush that is just too hard. That's why I mean, you don't have to brush your teeth like after all your meals and stuff. It's like basically two times a day is actually fine. You know that if you have like a good lifestyle, you probably don't even have to brush it too much because you don't even build plaque in the first place so much.
Ben: Based on that, when you're brushing, how long are you personally brushing for if you're brushing twice a day?
Dominik: Just like one and a half to two minutes. I know exactly how to brush and I even don't apply any floss at all. Actually, I have an electric toothbrush and I just hold it onto my teeth and it feels just cleaner than with a soft brush. I also tried all these bamboo brushes, the very soft ones. You have to press more firmly. So, if you know how to use an electric one, you just actually hold it onto there and it's just kind of like polishing your teeth a little bit. And of course, you do that also to not smell. That's a good idea, but maybe —
Ben: Now, what about oil pulling? Do you do oil pulling?
Dominik: Yes. Oil pulling is something I always recommend. Mainly, you could do that every day like the whole year, but if you don't do it, do it at least at wintertime or now when all these viruses are going around because oil pulling helps your oral microbiome. It's detoxifying and it also–if you use, for example, extra virgin coconut oil, which also has antiviral properties, I don't know if you say that, antiviral purposes, you can totally help your whole microbiome and get a little bit of these viruses or maybe anaerobic bacteria stuck into it. And also, it's detoxing for the fat-soluble toxins which are also in your mouth.
And if you, for example, have a mouthful installed of like materials that work from a craftsman point of view, it will help you. But, don't swallow it afterwards. You should at least oil pull for five minutes up to 15 minutes, and then just spit it out. I'm a fan of the coconut oil. You could also use olive oil, extra virgin olive oil, good quality and has a lot of these phenolic acids in it. And, you could also use–walnut oil tastes good, but just don't swallow it, just spit it out. It's a very good [00:16:46] _____ medicine also. They use that for thousands of years.
Ben: What I started doing after reading a book on Ayurveda and teeth care was in the morning, I do oil pulling. And right before I oil pull, I do a little bit of tongue scraping. And then, I actually don't do any other tooth care aside from chewing a little xylitol-based gum, which I actually want to ask you about momentarily, until the evening when I do about two minutes or so of tooth brushing. And right now, I'm back to using a charcoal toothpaste, but only a medium bristle brush so I'm not wearing away the enamel with a harder brush. But for the oil pulling in the morning, I actually make my own now, and it's really cool, you can get–do you know like the molds that you can use for the kitchen to make little chocolates or Jell-O, just a mold that you would use for anything like that with small almost like dime to quarter-sized molds? You know what I'm talking about, like a plastic mold?
Dominik: Yes, I know what you mean by a mold, yes.
Ben: Okay. So, what I do is I heat up coconut oil and then I'm adding right now clove and mint essential oil to that. And then, what you do is you pour it into the molds about–it's about one tablespoon or so per mold, and then you put that in the fridge and it sets. So, the coconut oil hardens with the essential oils, and then you can remove it from the molds and just keep in like a mason jar in the fridge. And when you wake up, you just pop one of these molds into your mouth. You let it melt, and then you start to swish. And, considering how expensive a good organic or extra virgin coconut oil-based oil pulling oil is online or on Amazon, it's super easy to just do this yourself at home.
Dominik: Well, it sounds like you totally optimized it. I'm kind of like doing exactly the same brushing once a day, but that's a good idea. I will implement that.
Dominik: DIY your own coconut oil with the essential oil is a perfect idea. You could also maybe add some herbs like maybe curcumin or something that also helps being a little microbial —
Ben: Turmeric essential oil is something that's actually on my radar for my next recipe. I want to do that. The other one that my children and I did was we traveled to Kauai, Hawaii where we visited a superfood farm down there called Kauai Organic Farmacy, and they have this little berry that they grow called the electric tooth berry. I believe it's called something like Spilanthes is the actual botanical name for it, and it's actually known to be able to relieve toothaches and be very, very good as like an antiviral and antibacterial for the mouth. And interestingly, it coats your tongue with this. It's almost like a salivary stimulant, so your mouth fills with saliva. So, it's wonderful as like a digestif before a meal.
But last year, we actually made an extract of that. We brought back the seeds. We figured out how to grow it on the patio here in Spokane and it grew just fine. It grows like a weed. You harvest little berries. And we actually ground those up and blended those with coconut oil, and it was almost like this spicy saliva-inducing oil pulling oil. And so, when this summer or when the spring rolls back around, we start growing those again. I'll start making that. But that one's really interesting. You can order the seeds even like on Amazon, but it's called Spilanthes. Have you heard of that one before?
Dominik: No, I hadn't, but it sounds amazing, like perfect idea.
Ben: Yeah, yeah. They're really cool. I'll put a link to Spilanthes seeds for those of you who want to try it. But I'll warn you, it just makes your mouth absolutely full of saliva. But you can buy organic seeds on Amazon and it's super-duper easy to grow. Okay. So, you do twice a day brushing, you do oil pulling.
Dominik: Personally, I do once a day like you.
Ben: Oh, okay, alright. And then, my question for you before I ask you about gum is if you don't floss, what do you do if you have a steak or pineapple or something that gets stuck in your teeth?
Dominik: Okay, okay. I don't regularly floss, but if I have something in my teeth gets stuck, then, of course, I will floss or pick it up maybe with a toothpick, whatever. But if it's really stuck in between the surfaces of both adjacent teeth, I will use a floss. But it's very rarely because if you have healthy teeth, then you'd normally have a perfect periodontium and your gingiva is kind of like totally inside your teeth, there is no gap in between. You know what I mean?
Ben: Okay. Got it.
Dominik: So, over time, it's like most people have a lot of gingivitis, maybe lose a little bit of the periodontium or maybe have some crown work done or maybe some fillings that you will get a little bit of an opening in between the teeth, like in between adjacent–and that's, of course, a problem with food getting stuck in there. But if you have healthy teeth, normally, there's not a lot of stuff getting stuck in there.
Ben: Okay. Now, do you use gum at all? Do you chew gum?
Dominik: Very rarely. I like to chew gum actually, but you already mentioned it. We have one at our store. It's a xylitol-based one, but it's so difficult to find something that is really like without titanium dioxide and all these other nasty things. But of course, it has some good purposes. I see you using gum a lot, right?
Ben: Yeah. I chew a few different brands of gum. I have one new one that I use called Immunity gum, which is like astragalus and elderberry and vitamin C. Actually, what the name of it is called Mighty Gum, and I really enjoy that one, especially these days when I'm traveling with this–the time we're recording this, there's the big coronavirus going around. So, I've been chewing that when I travel. And then, another one that I chew quite a bit is called Slique Gum. And Slique is a blend of different essential oils including peppermint that does a really good job satiating the appetite, but also seems to do a good job keeping my mouth clean as well.
And occasionally, I'll pop a piece of this Lucy Nicotine Gum, which is a form of nicotine gum that's got fewer of like the artificial sweeteners and artificial compounds in it. And so, yeah, I've typically got all three brands of those gums, Mighty Gum, Slique Gum, or Lucy Gum in my fanny pack and just kind of alternate between those during the day. And, I find it's very helpful for me because I only eat two to three meals a day. And between that, and drinking a little Zevia or a little sparkling water in between my meals. It does a really good job keeping my appetite satiated.
Dominik: Makes total sense, yeah. I think in Europe, we're a little bit behind with all these nice brands you just mentioned. And mostly, what you see is all these artificial things. Even aspartame, you can find in the regular Wrigley's and chewing gums and a lot of sugars mostly. So, you have to be aware. But of course, what you do is already optimized. So, that's totally recommended of course.
Ben: Yeah. Okay. So, what I want to do next, now that we've had a little bit of a chat, and hopefully, gotten some people's wheels turning about just different ways to care for your mouth during the day, I want to step back before I dive into a few of the specifics in your book and just delve into this concept of holistic or biological dentistry. And I get this question from people sometimes. When I tell them that I go to a holistic dentist, they're like, “What's that?” My very base explanation is, “Oh, they don't use toxins and they do a really good job choosing materials that are biologically compatible with the human body, and they don't use a lot of silver and metals in the mouth, and they irrigate the mouth really well and clean the air in the procedure room really well.” But I don't really have like a set definition for what a holistic or a biological dentist would be. So, I'm curious, how would you describe it if someone were to ask you what holistic dentistry exactly is?
Dominik: I would call it as what we call as biological dentistry, and my definition for this is more like it's an overlap of functional medicine. Maybe you can say also biohacking in high-tech dentistry with the goal of optimal health by starting in your mouth. That's basically what we do. So, of course, what you said, the holistic approach from a more dental point of view by not using any materials that could disturb your body. What we do basically, we will remove all your metals from your mouth under special precautions, of course, amalgam under super safe removal structures, we can talk about that for sure. I'm personally also removing all root canal treated teeth, and also these things called cavitations, which is the layman term for a chronic silent inflammation in your jaw bone. You could also find it under CIBD, chronic ischemic bone disease, or FDOJ for fatty degenerative osteonecrotic jawbone, or even NICO which stands for neuralgia-inducing cavitational osteonecrosis. This concept is something that's not accepted in medical school right now, even if there is a guy in Germany, Dr. Johann Lechner, who is doing research and studies for the last 40 years. He's friend of mine. He's 72 years old. And, yeah, he still battles with the bosses of the bigger clinics, but it will soon be a thing, and yeah.
So, the goal is take out all chronic problems we address. Of course with all the metals, we address different things. We have metals could be toxic like amalgam. For those who don't know, amalgam is the silver filling. It contains 50% of mercury, and mercury is the most toxic non-radioactive element on Earth. So, why the hell would you have it in your mouth? And there's also other materials that we use as craftsmen just to make you buy it like gold, or different alloys. There's nickel, there's cadmium. They use all kinds of things you don't even know about. Then you use titanium implants.
So, there is always a toxical problem that means those dependent your body has to detoxify, for example, mercury. On the other hand, there's an immunological problem because your body could be intolerant or your immune system could be attacking all of these substances because they literally have nothing to do in your mouth, and besides maybe the biting thing. And, if you're allergic to something, it's not dose-dependent anymore. And some people are actually allergic and having a toxicity problem. So, that's a double whammy. And also, one point that there is really, it's not a woo-woo or esoteric thing, I'm talking about this for years, is that we have an electric–like we have these EMFs everywhere. This is something that increased over the last 10 years exponentially, Wi-Fi, 3G, 4G. I think in the U.S., it's already 5G. And, of course if you have metals somewhere in your body, and most of the patients, or the most metal you will find in regular patients will be in your mouth, then you have a little antenna in your system which will disrupt your whole autonomic nervous system.
There are studies showing that if you normally do a cell phone call and the electromagnetic waves go to cell phone and then back to the tower. But if you have any metal installed, it will go to the cell phone, then to the metal in your body. It could also be your hip, but mostly, it's maybe a titanium implant or a metal filling. And then, gets amplified by 400 to 700 fold maybe, and then disrupts the system and people are getting–it's called electrosensitive a lot. There are whole groups in Europe here and people that are getting treated by this. So, there are even patients that can listen to radio frequencies with this. It sounds really crazy, but it's totally logic electric physics.
Ben: Holy cow.
Ben: Yeah. I interviewed Joe, but we didn't talk about the fact that metal in the mouth can act like an antenna. I never really thought about that. So, you can literally, if you have some type of metal filling and you're holding your cell phone or up around your mouth or getting exposed to Wi-Fi that's traveling near your head, that's essentially using the metal in your mouth like an antenna?
Dominik: Yes. And it's even worse. There's a study show–and I can send you the study. If you do a phone call, the mercury vapor, which gets released anyways from your filling every day, will be even more mercury vapor coming out of the filling by using a cell phone call, by doing a cell phone call. I had an interview with Dr. Mercola lately. I think we didn't even get into this topic with the EMFs, and yeah. And also, one point, if you hadn't–for example, just go with the amalgam filling. If you had a mercury filling in your mouth, there's studies showing there from the '90s from [00:29:24] _____, if you put a mercury filling in your tooth, because of the dentin and the connection to the trigeminal nerve, within 24 hours, this mercury is in your whole jawbone and it goes to all these crucial organs like the brain, the kidneys, detoxification organs within 24 hours and gets transported through the trigeminal nerve through something called retrograde axonal transport within the brain ganglia, hypothalamus, pituitary. And you can imagine from a functional medicine point of view how many problems that will cause later on.
So, if you have, for example, still murky particles, which are super tiny, it's like micrograms or like super–it's more like the vapor in your bone, for example, and you have again tiny micro-antennas and it will heat up. There's studies showing that if you do a phone–just a regular titanium implant, it can heat up to four degrees more when you do a phone call. That means normally, you have a body temperature of–I have to go with Celsius here, let's say it's 36.8 degrees Celsius. If you do a phone call, it can go up to 40 degrees, which is actually high fever, and this ruins the whole bone structure around it. That's why we find regularly like these cavitations or hollow spaces in your bone around titanium implants, and I remove all titanium implants.
We basically remove everything that shouldn't be there. And of course, 20 years ago when there was no EMF and no Wi-Fi, nothing, it wasn't probably a big problem to have a few gold fillings, but now it's really a thing. And, we have to find biocompatible solutions to not cripple anybody, but find biocompatible materials. So, I'm a specialist in ceramic implants. That's also the congress I'm here presenting as the president. And so, we are able to remove these things that are not doing your body any favors by all these toxicity things, chronic inflammations, high cytokines, et cetera, and EMF problem, and install biocompatible things like ceramic implants. At the same time, we call it the all-in-one concept.
So, we are able to do this all-in-one with the right preparation of the patients and with lifestyle and changes and good recovery tools. And, yeah, this is a high skill procedure, but the fulfilling part with this is besides doing a, yeah, maximum achievement thing because it's kind of like building Lego but on a very tiny scale in your mouth, on the next day, your patients are telling you, “Oh, wow. These symptoms are gone. I had this, this, and this.” You can name every symptom literally because your whole mouth is connected to your whole body through that autonomic nervous system, which could go away. So, the typical or the usual suspects are chronic fatigue, thyroid issues, gut issues, neurological issues, and also these very heavy problems or very heavy diseases like ALS, you heard of it probably, and Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's.
So, it's all a big component and I think still in functional medicine. And I did my course in functional medicine 10 years ago in L.A. They are not really talking about all these problems that are starting in your mouth and talking about maybe having metal detoxification and how to find out if your body is loaded with mercury or something, but not how to actually approach it, and that it has such a big impact. So, I had very good mentors. Maybe you heard of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt. He's one of my biggest mentors.
Dominik: Yeah. And I found him through my studies right after university. And, for example, Thomas Rau from Paracelsus Clinic or Joachim Mutter. I listened to the episode when he went to Swiss Mountain Clinic, Dr. Joachim Mutter. I think he wasn't there anymore when you were there, but he was the director there before. Those are all good mentors and they are talking about these things for years and estimated. They say it's about 70% of all chronic disease actually start in your mouth. And this is a big number because you could use all things, biohacking, functional medicine, improve your life. They have the perfect diet. Have your whole house shielded and only drink the perfect water from glass bottles not using plastic. You have the perfect mouth hygiene.
But if you have problems installed in your mouth 24/7 that could be toxic or immunological problematic or an antenna, you will still not be superman even if you do all these things. And I have all these patients. So, chronic sick patients are the most patients I see. It's a very extreme, yeah, spectrum, so more like chronic disease. And on the other hand, like biohackers, health optimizers, functional medicine interested people, the whole community of optimizing. So, in the middle, in between are not a lot of patients, but it's probably because of the specialty. And, yeah, really the goal is optimal health, how to achieve this, and also not by doing it inconsequently.
And the term biological dentistry that I, yeah, kind of not coined, but I wanted to call it differently than holistic dentistry because in Germany or in the European speaking countries, if you say you're a holistic dentist, this is kind of like a bad word and they initially think, the other dental colleagues think you're like a woo-woo guy and you don't know your skill set because this is a real problem. Because they're all holistic dentists, they will perform a holistic root canal, which makes no sense because a root canal, for example, is a dead tooth. So, a tooth basically is an organ.
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I do want to delve into root canals, but you just covered a lot of stuff and I want to jump in with a couple of questions. The first is that you talked about the nerves and the link between the teeth and the nervous system. And, when I was reading your book, I came across a graph. I think you call it like a [00:38:25] _____, a relationship between our teeth and different organs based on that nervous system connection. Can you explain how that works? I mean, is this like foot reflexology and Chinese medicine where certain parts of the feet when stimulated will stimulate certain organs? Is it a deal where if a tooth is diseased or in good health that it's going to affect the different organ systems? And if so, if that's what's going on, talk to me a little bit about that and if any research has actually been done on the link between the nervous system and the teeth.
Dominik: So, this is a chart called odontomes and they are actually naturopathically designed. I think it is '60s, '70s, two doctors in Germany or two naturopaths in Germany tested all the–it's a meridian chart connection of the teeth with different body parts, like you just mentioned. So, they did it with electroacupuncture. And, what they found out is that every tooth is connected with different organs. So, for example, if you look at your incisors, which are the front teeth, they are connected to your kidney and bladder meridian system. So, from an energetic point of view and meridians–or for example, your canines are connected to your liver and your gallbladder system, the premolars and the upper jaw are connected to your large intestines and lung meridian, and the molars and the upper jaw are connected to your stomach, your spleen meridian, and your thyroid, and the wisdom tooth area which is very crucial, it's connected to your whole central nervous system, autonomic nervous system, and the small intestinal and heart meridian system.
So, what you can see from this thing–so what we do–maybe I'll explain it from a dental point of view. I will see all my patients initially just virtually, so remote, because I don't have the time to see everybody in person anymore for a long time. You will send in your current panoramic x-ray. And, the panoramic x-ray, I look at it a little bit different than the regular dentist. So, I will look if I can see if there's any wisdom tooth removed or root canal or metals. And then, you can totally connect and ask patients if you correlate the panoramic X-ray and this meridian chart what kind of problems do you have in your body. And, for example, these cavitations which stem from wisdom tooth and removal, I would say at least 80% of all western patients have their wisdom teeth removed, have these kinds of cavitations there.
So, they mostly have a problem. It could either be chronic fatigue because of the connection to the adrenal glands and nervous system, or a lot of patients have the opposite like high cortisol, stress, they have good adrenal glands, they can produce these things, and also small intestinal problems like IBS, irritable bowels syndrome. They even do autoimmune paleo or ketogenic or carnivore and super anti-inflammatory foods, but still having a reaction. That's what I was, so I had the cavitations myself too and I didn't even know. So, I was searching. I had like bad eczema on my face. And, if you know, if you have an eczema, everybody will come to you and tell you, “Oh, that's your diet.” And I knew I'm very [00:41:40] _____ and this is something that started me 20 years ago that I learned everything about nutrition food.
I knew that it wasn't the problem, it wasn't diet. I knew that it was stress, but I didn't know why because I wasn't like–there's something from underneath. So, we did the salivary cortisol. It was very high. And then, it was just coincidence or whatever you want to call it, and one day in our office, there was an enteropathic doctor who was also trained by Klinghardt and was able to test with kinesiology autonomic response testing. This is called from a technique developed by Dr. Klinghardt. And I was like grinding the hell out of my jaw and it was super cramped, my whole neck, and I had massive eczema on that day. It really felt like shit.
So, he tested me and said, “Hey, dude, there's some kind of oral interference.” And I was like, “What are you talking about?” You mean the grinding, right?” “No, no, not the grind. There's something. Let's do a cone beam.” Okay. We did a cone beam, which is a three-dimensional x-ray where you can see slices of your whole bone. And fascinatingly, we found huge cavitations in my wisdom tooth area, which totally makes sense because I had my wisdom tooth removed when I was 14 years old without being prepared for nothing. My mom just drove me there to the surgeon, big surgery, huge cuts, huge trauma, massive inflammation afterwards, bad lifestyle. I wanted to become a professional skater so I was smoking probably and didn't have the good lifestyle back then, so it was probably inflamed.
And, yeah, 20 years later, I had this chronic silent inflammation, and of course, I wanted to get rid of this as fast as possible with dramatic results. And when we did that, it's about eight years ago, this came on our radar because on the chair, when we did my surgery, I was connected with my whole body, like I was breathing kind of parasympathetically to just remove my head from what is actually performing in surgery, and I felt into my body, and I had a chronic back pain in the middle of my back, which is kind of like the stomach entrance or maybe small intestinally related, and it just disappeared. I was talking to my surgeon. I was like, “Is that even possible?” I had to laugh while doing surgery.
I was like, “Is this possible?” And, on the next day, I woke up and this little being overly activated, like I felt I had Parkinson's already, it was just gone. It felt like something has lifted from my body, and we only did one side, which was not a good idea from retrospect, but I had so many dramatic results. When we did the other side six weeks later, my skin rash probably went away within the next 10 days. I could now be a model for skin cream, and there's eczema ever since. My small intestinal bowel problems were all gone. Ever since then, I've performed about 3,000 cavitations and surgeries, and also placed over 3,000 ceramic implants. And, yeah, we implemented this whole thing into the whole treatment sequence. It's kind of like a bad and all-inclusive bed and breakfast thing.
So, whenever I have a consultation or a planning of your case–for example, if you want to send me your panoramic x-ray, I will show how we do that, and it's always included because everybody had teeth removed and it's mostly the wisdom teeth because of issues with not having space enough and maybe orthodontic issues. You probably end up having these problems and having chronic silent stress on your trigeminus nerve, and you have to know from a nervous system point of view, your trigeminus nerve is one of the 12 cranial nerves, which is starting in your brain stem and it has 50% of the space of all the other trails. So, it's kind of important. And also, with the trigeminus, it's always a branch of the vagal nerve. You may be heard of this.
Ben: Oh, yeah. We've discussed it quite a bit on the podcast, and obviously, if oral health is impacting the vagus nerve, then there's a direct link between that and pretty much any organ that the vagus nerve would innervate. And, I'm curious, has actual research been done on this link between the teeth and the nervous system when you're discussing its impact on things like eczema or gut function or–in the book, you discussed its impact on obesity and a host of other chronic diseases including heart health, have they actually done research on this?
Dominik: You have to look at research a little bit differently in this case because you have to see, dentistry is still–the things I'm telling you right now is the future of dentistry. Dentists are still considering themselves as just basically craftsmen. They're doing their–highly skilled craftsmen, which is the base of my thing too, but they're not connecting the functional medicine part. So, there will normally not be any studies from the dental department showing this, but there are lots of studies from functional medicine.
For example, you know about cytokines. For example, if you have a chronic elevated IL-6 cytokine, which is totally connected with an apical periodontitis of a root canal tooth, of course, your body is in a chronic inflammatory state, which relates to insulin resistance and liver problems and GH problems. But you just have to connect the dots, basically, and then there's all things research done. But I don't think there is a study showing that if you have an inflammation on tooth number six that it's directly connected to your stomach, which also doesn't make too much sense because it's more multi-factorial.
You have to just understand, and this is how I train all these dentists, you have to understand immunology, you have to understand your parasympathetic and sympathetic and autonomic nervous system, you have to understand cytokines, you have to understand liver, liver phase one, two and stuff. You basically have to understand the whole body. And, I think every doctor, whatever specialty it is, should understand this because basically, the craftsman part, it's just a technique. You could show me how to do a heart surgery, and I probably learn it because I'm doing surgeries on brain nerves when I remove teeth. So, it's just a technique part.
This is what we have to do is understand how the whole concept works. And yes, for example, there are studies done that bacteria from your mouth are totally related to inflammatory markers in your blood that are–the next stop is mostly the heart. And also, there are studies that are showing that cardiomyopathy, for example, have 20,000-fold higher mercury levels in the heart muscle. So, there are a lot of studies done connecting the oral microbiome or the oral health or even toxicity with the whole body. But with the toxicity thing, one more thing I would like to add is —
Dominik: Well, now, the FDA still declares everything that you have in your teeth, like a filling or a crown or an implant, still as outside body as kind of like a device, and the device doesn't have to go to a toxicological–what is it the word I'm blanking? You don't have to look at it from a toxicological side of you because it's outside body. So, biological dentistry basically means that the mouth is part of your whole body where everything starts. And you know that mercury or cadmium, all these heavy metals that you use in industry that higher levels in the blood are correlated with chronic inflammation, insulin resistance, all these things that functional medicine is anyways talking about. And where is the biggest source still for mercury is still the amalgam filling. You cannot even imagine this, but 80% of the German dentists, and I think the same in the U.S., still plays amalgam fillings. They don't even think further because it's —
Dominik: –it's endorsed by the government. It's subsidized.
Dominik: So, if I have a clinic. And, the thing that the insurance pays is still an amalgam filling. This is crazy. In other countries like Russia, it's forbidden for about 30 years. The whole Scandinavian countries, they did a clever thing. They just banned mercury-like overall so you couldn't use it in your mouth, but Germany is still a little bit behind. But I think FDA is talking about this right now again to maybe finally make it mercury-free.
Ben: Yeah. And I actually wanted to ask you because when you were talking about the nervous system, you brought up wisdom teeth. And my kids actually, I told them last night I was going to interview a dentist and my wife said, “Oh, you should ask him about wisdom teeth and whether or not they really need to be removed, or why they would need to be removed in the first place.” I've certainly talked in the past with a couple of breathwork researchers like Patrick McKeown, who say that a big part of the crowding of teeth is due to proper or improper breathing patterns and improper posture. Meaning, specifically, a lot of mouth and shallow chest breathing resulting in overcrowding of the teeth due to nasal breathing not being present to allow for airway expansion and proper positioning of the jaw and the mouth. And he has some other things he gets into such as inadequate chewing and the presence of autoimmune triggers such as commercial dairy or wheat that might cause congestion and further inhibit nasal breathing, which could impact the crowding of wisdom teeth.
But I'm curious, what's your take on wisdom teeth as a biological dentist?
Dominik: So, I know you're familiar with the work of Weston Price.
Dominik: So, he did this nutrition and physical degeneration and basically traveled all over the world to look at nutrition and physical degeneration. And, he found like if endogenous people like the aborigines or some Africans or maybe–he also went to the Swiss Alps to see how they live without the industrial products you just mentioned like dairy, gluten-containing wheat, or like grains overall, and sugars, and all these things. They had perfectly aligned teeth. They had a perfect spine, they had really wide palatals, and all breathe through their noses. And when the newer generation got into contact with eating the industrial stuff, the processed foods, it looked like monsters, kind of like the teeth are growing out of their eyes, just overexaggerating. But really, narrow faces, no space at all, et cetera.
So, I'm a big believer in the food or health in your mouth concept by eating the right nutrition, but it starts even earlier. So, when you come to the world, you normally, if it's a normal birth, you go through the birth channel and you will get the microbiome from your mom, and then if it's possible, you will be breastfed. And breastfeeding in itself should be done like from a natural point of view for at least 1.5 years or 18 months. Why? Because breastfeeding, sucking on a nipple of your mom activates the whole lower jaw to grow. And the muscle is like, if you pull on a nipple, I don't know if that's the correct word, and you have to apply 10 times more force than using the formula from a baby bottle. So, this will grow your whole jaw, make you parallel more wide and your whole–you breathe through your nose when you're sucking on a tit. So, everything you just asked in your question is basically in there already. You get your whole immune system from being breastfed, and of course the colostrum and all these immune globulins, et cetera, and the growth.
So, my kids, I have three sons. I don't know with my wife, the breastfeeding always worked perfectly and they're all at least somehow–my second one is actually almost two years breastfed. They have the perfect alignment for now, for the jawbone. Of course, I'm taking care about the nutrition and we don't eat any processed foods or sugars and stuff, as you can imagine, and gluten-free, and we take care about macronutrients and micronutrients. So, let's see what will happen because me personally, I had the worst bite. So, I had braces twice. When I was 12, I had braces. That didn't work out at a very narrow phase. I only breathe through my mouth, and I ate the crappiest food, and I had the second set of braces when I was in university, which was a study, and I had it in the inside which was called Incognito. It was full of metals. It was the hell and back. So, a big part is also the bite.
So, what they only did with my braces was straightening my teeth. So, I have very nice teeth from an aesthetic point of view. But if you look at it from a functional point of view, I have no bite at all. So, it doesn't even fit lower and upper jaw, which is really problematic because your bite is kind of like a [00:54:29] _____ for your whole posture. So, you can see it's a lot of things connected around your mouth. And basically, you can see a little baby, like the first three years, everything is only related with mouth. They will stuff anything in their mouth. They test anything with the mouth.
So, it's really all health starting in your mouth. And I'm a fan and believer. I don't know if it will work with the first generation. That means my sons, that if they have a healthy lifestyle and diet and I'm supplying the right ratio of proteins and healthy fats, and they don't eat any grains and stuff, that they will have no cavities and that they will not to have braces or orthodontics. And then, coming back to your question with the wisdom teeth, I guess that the wisdom teeth problem will not be a problem anymore because if your body is–like if your jaw grew in the first place and if you have building blocks to build bone and tissue and teeth, there will be place and enough space for your wisdom teeth because of course, if wisdom teeth are in your mouth and grown out and have space, why not? It's the best thing to have, like another set of four healthy teeth to give you more biting surface, and yeah. Just the best thing to do.
But if you have like all the western–most of the western population are not trained like this. So, they eat their weed and their grains and have a protein deficiency, and maybe didn't even get breastfed for a long time. So, they end up having a too narrow face and having no space at all for the wisdom teeth. So, orthodontics will recommend removing the wisdom teeth mostly within 12 to 20 years because of making space for braces, or that the teeth, the wisdom teeth, when they try to come out when you're like about 18 to 21 years old, are not crowding your teeth again anymore. It's more like an aesthetic point of view.
Ben: Okay. Got it.
Dominik: But also, if you have impacted, like impacted teeth–my wife, for example, still has impacted wisdom teeth. Those are also not a good idea because your body wants them to have them out. So, we can totally discuss this.
Ben: Okay. So, when you say impacted teeth, is that different than wisdom teeth?
Dominik: Wisdom teeth, no. Wisdom teeth, if they don't grow out and stand in line with all your other teeth, and be not visible, they could be impacted. That means they're still in your bone trying to come out every day, but they can't because there's no space. That's an impacted teeth. You will only see it on an x-ray. You understand?
Ben: Okay. Got it. Okay. So, what do you do about the impacted teeth?
Dominik: Yeah. From just natural point of view, it's pathologic to have an impacted tooth because most of the time, this tooth will be activated all day long to get out of there. And what you can see a lot of times surrounding these impacted teeth is that there's ongoing chronic inflammation in your jawbone, mostly kind of this thing I talked to you about before, these cavitations around. So, a little bit of a chronic inflammation. You don't even feel it. You don't even feel these cavitations mostly because the receptors–and it's kind of like insulin resistance, they don't even react anymore to pain. So, it's just in there, but it's stressing your autonomic nervous system, your trigeminal nerve, your parasympathetic on a daily basis.
A lot of people actually grind extremely at night. Grinding is something that is not a big problem. But if it gets too much, it's mostly related to stress issues. And if you have example of an impacted tooth or cavitation or root canal, this could end up being a lot of stress to your nervous system and you will grind even more. So, I grinded the hell when I had my cavitation still there and I don't grind at all anymore, even if I don't have a bite. Yeah. So, I still have to find my bite. You know what I mean?
Ben: It's super interesting that this idea of how many things we do on a daily basis, even from birth, will affect our oral health later in life. And one thing that I think is intriguing, again kind of relating the mouth to the rest of our biological system, something that you talked about when you discussed the proper formation of teeth in the mouth was chewing along with breastfeeding.
But you also in the book, if I recall, you talked about chewing actually assisting with the production of certain type of immune factor cells. I think they were the Th17 cells. What exactly are those and how would chewing help to enhance the immune system health?
Dominik: The Th17 cells are specialized T helper cells, and they are correlated with autoimmune problems. You may be familiar with the Coimbra protocol, where this guy is actually able to reverse MS and stuff like autoimmune processes by high doses of vitamin D3. That means 100,000 IUs or even more on a daily basis. It's just a symptom treatment, but still if you reduce Th17, you're not too much prone to autoimmunity. With chewing, I think it's different. Chewing is more like–if you chew, there will be saliva production. And saliva is kind of like your immunological super host in your body. You have to see, the mouth is the–everything enters through your mouth.
So, the microbiome in your mouth is way more diversified than in your rectum, for example. That makes total sense because your mouth gets in contact with everything, like food, there has to be digestive, which are all these enzymes in there. There are peptides in your saliva, there are minerals, there are proteins, everything is in there and the whole immune system. So, some people, they're in chronic stress because of different stressors, have no saliva at all. It's a dry mouth syndrome. And if you have a dry mouth, you experience a lot of immunological problems. And, I think this is the stuff you're referring to. And, this is why you have to take care of the saliva. And chewing actually helps with this.
You already told me when you do the oil pulling with your things, you actually build more saliva. Or even if you think about food, which is really delicious, you will feel that you will produce more saliva because saliva helps you digest. That's why it's so important to chew your food thoroughly. So, my grandma told me bite it for 30 times. I probably even didn't do that, but I'm very focused when I eat and do it very slowly, do nothing else, and you'll have a lot of saliva. And I know if you're in sympathetic mode and in stress, you don't have any saliva or just a little because of course when your autonomic nervous system is in fight and flight, you don't want to sever or like drop saliva out of your mouth or eat something, then you want to have all your stuff and energy in your nervous system and your muscle to just run away from the saber-tooth tiger.
So, it's a combination. A stressor could be, and it's a big stressor actually, a stuff that is installed from a strictly dental craftsman point of view. The normal dentist is only interested in can you bite on your teeth or not. And the only question your dentist is asking you, I don't have anything against my dental colleagues, just saying they're only asking you does it hurt or not. So, I have patients coming in with huge cysts under their root canal of teeth. It's like huge cysts. This is a sign of chronic inflammation and cysts destroy the whole body. You can't even imagine what I see on a daily basis. And, they have that for 20 years and I ask them, “Why did your dentist didn't do anything about this?” “They just asked me if it hurts and it doesn't.”
So, which chronic disease actually hurts? Does high blood pressure hurt? Do thyroid problems hurt or depression? Nothing hurts because when it hurts, it's mostly acute. So, coming back to the chronic things, from a biting point of view, of course, you can install all different materials. And of course, a root canal from just strictly biting is a fine thing. You can bite on the tooth. But from a medical point of view with the goal of optimal health, it might not be a good idea or even really detrimental for your health. And, if you have, for example, amalgam fillings or some metals, amalgam or mercury from amalgam is known to destroy the healthy oral microbiome flora and aggravates stuff like parasites and viruses and fungi. They use these heavy metals to shield themselves or build like colonies and the biofilm. I imagine like this date, they just build steel into their biofilm and skyscrapers to make it —
Ben: And that's occurring in the actual root canal, which is obviously a big issue. What was the name of the big documentary that came out recently about root canals that I think even got banned from Netflix at least temporarily?
Dominik: Yes. There was a petition of 200,000 dental colleagues, mainly the endodontologists. Those are the guys who only perform root canals. They didn't want to see this movie and it was banned on Netflix, which is really terrible because it doesn't happen in a root canal by itself, it happens in your mouth. You know, when you form plaque and these–so basically, your microbiome is very diversified and this is really important. But if you have different things installed, it goes into a dysbiosis, which will further down go into your gut system. So, this is more the problem that you get compartmentalized.
So, root canal, for example, is a dead tooth. A regular tooth is a healthy tooth. It's an organ with a blood supply, a lymph supply, and an autonomic nervous system. So, there's studies showing that wherever there's any bacteria trying to go into your tooth, the immune system in your pulp will fight against it and it will be no problem. But if it's root canal treatment, there's no immune system anymore, it's just a dead organ, which is there to just bite on it. So, from a microscopic point of view or electronic microscopic point of view, you have these dentin tubules. And if you cut a tooth and look at this, one root has about the equivalent of one kilometer. It's maybe 1.6 miles of dentin tubules where these anaerobic bacteria, which are in itself not a big problem. But if they go into a root canal, then they have their compartment. It's kind of like a compartmentalization.
And of the bad guys, you know what I mean? And if the bad guy is lurking there and you have an immune system, your immune system will try to do something. You will have a chronic infection there and your body will do a chronic inflammatory process, which is most of the time a cyst around the root canal of tooth to just help your body so that the infection doesn't spread from there. So, compartment is the big problem. Also, these cavitations, which stem from the tooth removal in your wisdom tooth area or better fatty degenerative osteonecrotic jawbone. If you see that man, it's just nasty. Really, they found everything in there from mercury over anaerobic bacteria, parasites. Mold is a big thing in the U.S. I have a lot of patients flying in from the U.S. and they always have this mold issue or Lyme's disease. And if you have Lyme's disease, it's so important that you get your mouth sorted out from a very strict biological point of view. Otherwise, you won't even heal because of these compartments of these anaerobics, parasites, et cetera.
And also, of course you maybe can smell this, but your immune system will be more aggressive. And the goal would be from–let's look at this from a strictly super sick, chronic sick patient. I always try to do like easy anecdotes. So, super chronic sick patients always have Lyme disease, has problems toxicity, et cetera, and a dysbiosis, and they have parasites and viruses. And I compared it to the Mars, the planet Mars. When you think about the planet Mars, it's kind of like dry, there's nothing, but there may be some weird creatures living there, which can be related to parasites or viruses. So, it's not the parasites or viruses that made the planet Mars. Those are the last survivors. And that's the same thing in your body when you're chronic sick. Of course, you have parasites and viruses, but they are there to help you because they help you with the metals. They eat that for you, but they want something from you. They want to take your energy. That's why they're parasite. So, what the goal is is to get your body and your whole system back to look like nature on Earth, like diversified, all live in peace together, no compartments, a lot of nature, a lot of everything. And then, it's also okay to have a few parasites maybe, but not acute. You understood what I'm talking about?
Ben: Yeah. Well, one thing that it sounds like to me with this issue, and this was kind of like a big message I got, and one of the things that intrigued me early on in your book was this idea of saliva and this thing you call the pellicle actually seeming to be in stark contrast to something like a biofilm and a root canal, how we could actually keep our mouths healthy beyond things like chewing and the biome, and oil pulling, and some of the brushing, and even things like gum chewing that we've discussed.
In terms of the pellicle, I hadn't ever come across that concept, and I'm wondering if you can explain what the pellicle is, what saliva has to do with that, and how we can actually care for that part of our mouths because I found that to be a very intriguing part of your book.
Dominik: The pellicle is kind of like a thin coat on top of your teeth. And, do you know the movie “Venom,” like the bad guy Venom?
Ben: You know what, I saw that movie come out, but I'm pretty bad at Hollywood. I heard it got rave reviews though, so maybe I'll have to watch it. Why do you ask?
Dominik: This Venom dude is kind of like–it looks like a pellicle. So, a pellicle is kind of like a sneaky thing that goes on top of your teeth, more like a tiny net. That's how I imagine it to go over your tooth. And, it will be there. You will destroy it like probably 15,000 times a day, but the base of it is your saliva and proteins and glycoproteins that's just getting attracted by the positive ions in the calcium, the positive calcium ions in your enamel. And, it goes on top of your teeth like a thin coat and it's there to protect your enamel from grinding, also from the contact of the teeth in between because teeth are actually not stable in your mouth. They're hanging in there like a trampoline on these periodontal [01:09:11] _____ to move.
So, if you bite pretty hard, your tooth is able to move outside and inside and a little bit down, a little bit up you can imagine. And of course, there will be a grinding to adjacent teeth. So the pellicle protects, and also the pellicle protects from biting itself so that the enamel doesn't break off. And, you bite about 15,000 times a day, which also will activate your whole nervous system again. And the saliva and the pellicle are totally correlated because the saliva contains all the building blocks for pellicle, and also for the mineralization of your teeth. So, in the saliva, you find proteins, you find calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, different minerals that are very tightly controlled and to rebuild and re-mineralize your teeth all the time because whenever you eat, your pH level in your mouth will drop a little bit and go a little bit into an acidic pH, which is no problem because your saliva will cover that within 30 minutes, as well as your pellicle.
And, the problem only comes when you eat the wrong foods that are in itself more acidic like you drink Coke all day long or like orange juice, for example, is super acidic. You get erosions and stuff. And also, of course, the pellicle will be used by your bacteria that are living with you in your mouth and they will build their biofilms, kind of like attaching themselves to the pellicle. It has a little bit of, you cannot say electric, but electrostatic maybe. It pulls the proteins from the saliva on top of your teeth. Can you imagine what I mean?
Ben: Yeah, yeah. So, basically, this pellicle is almost like allowing our teeth to glide properly. It's protecting the teeth and allowing saliva to kind of flow around the teeth. And so, if we're caring for our saliva using some of the strategies that we've talked about in this show and that you also discussed in your book, we're then going to build a healthy pellicle, and that would mean things like maintaining adequate mineral status, maintaining adequate hydration status, using some of these oil pulling strategies that we talked about. From what I understand, fluoride may actually be an issue when it comes to the pellicle. So, being careful with fluoride. And essentially, if we care for this pellicle and increase our tooth saliva production or our mouth saliva production, then what's going to happen is we have less of a potential for the bacterial buildup that could then cause the inflammation or toxicity that could spread to other organs via the link between the teeth and the central nervous system that you've described.
Dominik: Yes. If you have total healthy teeth, that's the perfect explanation, but it changes all if you had dental work done basically because this disrupts the whole microbiome and anything, and also leads to less saliva production. So, if you have different materials–and also very important point is that saliva is an electrolyte. So, by that, I mean if you have a titanium implant, for example, and you have the gold crown on top, which works from a biting point of view, but you could also produce a galvanic element there which is a battery basically, and you could produce 3.5 volts within a titanium implant in a gold.
So, electrons will flow. And if you have electrolyte, which is the saliva, they will travel from the cathode to the anode. And this on top will–it will also again lead to corrosion and to rusting of the material and kind of like the propeller of a boat in the sea, it looks like being there for a few years, it's totally rusted. That's how these metal restorations in your mouth look like. So, it's really bad. And of course, then you have more black accumulation because there's a black accumulation index. And, for example, regular teeth are very low and ceramic materials are even lower than regular teeth. So, there's not a lot of plaque on ceramics.
But on top of metals, it's extremely because they are more electrically loaded and can, yeah, aggravate these plaques even more. So, you have to see it from a point of being already super healthy, your mouth is totally clean, then yes, all the nutrition, everything you do, and I'm very much focused on protein, you shouldn't do–a lot of people have two less protein, not your audience for sure. And, protein is a big part of the immune system and the saliva. And on the other hand, the chronic sick patients or people having done dental work already, and it can be amalgam gold, whatever.
There's a study showing that even gold nowadays, they tested 1,200 patients–maybe you're familiar with the lymphocyte transformation test where you test an IG4 response to different materials, which you can also do with metals in your mouth. You just test if your body is allergic to gold. And basically, spot number one is always nickel, and it's actually not allowed in Germany to use nickel anywhere, not even in jewelry, but you still find it in titanium implants, whatever. I'll tell you in a second. On the second and third place, it's always mercury, organic and inorganic. And on the fourth place, it's already gold. So, a lot of patients had their mercury removed in the '80s or '90s and placed gold fillings or inlays, or partial crowns, or metal-based crowns instead. And it's not the best idea from the EMF point of view, and also from the immunological point of view.
There's another point. And gold and mercury will always be used together. So, when people were searching for gold like 150 years ago, they will always use mercury because they are totally aligned to each other. So, if you had mercury in your teeth and then got restored with gold fillings, there is a big chance that you still have a lot of mercury and particles in your dental tubules that can go away because they're electrostatically holding them together. And actually, you will find about 50% of all metal restorations. I have still mercury underneath. And this is something you cannot see extra. It's crazy, man. You cannot even [01:15:43] _____ see on a daily basis.
Ben: And as you get into in the book, the problem is that if you're doing some kind of a metal detox, like if you test high in mercury, let's say on a test, and you're doing even what I would consider to be a gold standard for metal testing, which would be hair, saliva and urine–I believe it's hair saliva. The triplicate test for metal is hair, saliva and urine or hair, blood and urine. I'm blanking now. Anyways, it's a triplicate test for heavy metals. And, I discussed this a little bit with Dr. David Minkoff, and also with Dr. Dan Pompa on previous shows, but you have to eliminate the source of the metal if you're going to detox.
And so, you have to go to a holistic dentist to remove an amalgal filling or an amalgam filling, a gold or metal crown, a tooth with a root canal treatment. I think that a couple of the folks who you've mentioned, Dietrich Klinghardt and Joachim Mutter are really good therapists in particular for the removal of heavy metals, and those are guys that you should look into. And I'll also link in the shownotes to all the podcasts that I've done on metal remediation. But, yeah, it's a huge issue. I mean, we've been going for a little while and I know we're running a little bit short on time here.
But really, I mean for me, the biggest message that I could give to people and what I learned from your book, and then I'd love to hear your closing thoughts as well, would be care for your mouth's biome and take into consideration the products that you're using within your mouth, understand the intimate link between your teeth, the biome in your mouth, and all the organs in the rest of your body, consider postural modifications like nasal breathing, and upright posture, and chewing, breastfeeding for infants, et cetera, and then really make sure that you're optimizing saliva production for the health of the pellicle, like with water and minerals. And again, chewing gum, things along those lines, and oil pulling of course. So, those are a few of the things I learned from your book along with this idea of just like visit a holistic dentist as compared to a regular dentist. If you have that option, absolutely go for it. Any other tips you would throw out there for people?
Dominik: You totally summarized it perfectly. I would say Dietrich Klinghardt or Joachim Mutter, they will never see a patient without sending them to a biological dentist first, and it has to be like the overall concept. It doesn't make any sense to remove a few amalgam fillings or a few metals nowadays. You have to really be 100% metal-free. If the goal is optimal health, no root canals, you can replace them by ceramic implants, which are zirconium dioxide-based, which are totally neutral, no free electrons, no problems with EMF and your body loves ceramics. But, in order to do all this and address these cavitations, this is a big thing that is not in the minds of the most patients, and not even doctors because it's still medically not accepted, which is a chronic side inflammation.
So, whenever you talk about toxicity, chronic inflammation, cytokines, insulin resistance, whatever, consider looking into your mouth and finding somebody who is specialized and skilled to remove it and even take it a step further and do this in an all-in-one concept, but prepare your body first. And I think your audience will be prepared very well in terms of the lifestyle, nutrition, all these other things, and biohacks, but you cannot biohack your way around taking out the source. And if you take out the source, your body will heal itself, but even better if you use all the other strategies we already discussed.
So, you can see optimal health really starts in your mouth, but it's the entrance to your whole gut system. Why not? And this should really come out to all the other leaders in the field of functional medicine because it's really detrimental to detox anybody or do a chelation or use something like DMPS, DMSO, DMSA, whatever. If you have any sort of oral inflammation or oral interference, it could make the problem even worse. I've seen it a lot of times and we're very strict with this. No heavy detoxifications before the mouth is not totally restored biocompatible. And you need to address root canals and that stuff, too. And don't just remove root canals. Best idea is to install like teeth if you can afford it. And now, it's lucky that we live in this times because we have the solutions now. The solutions are good. And the goal is just get the patient to the next level by implementing all these structures. So, as I said at the beginning, biological dentistry is the consequent overlap of functional medicine, biohacking, and high-tech dentistry. So, just the next level, in my opinion.
Ben: Yeah, yeah. It's a ton of good information. And, for those of you listening, the book is called “It's All in Your Mouth.” And I'm going to put the shownotes over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/allinyourmouth.
Last question, regarding the actual ability to be able to find a holistic dentist, what's the best place if people want to actually find a holistic dentist in their area to work with?
Dominik: So, holistic dentistry, you can always google there as the IAOMT or–but those are more like the holistic dentists that are focusing more on the mercury toxicity thing. For the whole big picture, we are training dentists and so far, unfortunately, it's only 30 specialists for biological density in ceramic implants, but we're working on this to get as many as possible that understand the full concept now able because you have to be a surgeon, which I am, and we train these people so that you can find it and get the solution.
So, let's say if I'm able to train thousand dentists, I calculated that I will do 30,000 surgeries in my lifetime. So, there will be 30 million possible. So, there's a huge impact if we train, which is the International Academy for Ceramic Implants because doctors, they are using ceramic implants, not all of them, but a few of them know a little bit more about the whole body. So, I'm only feeling confident in recommending dentists that I've fully trained because then I have the feeling that they lift the concept, they know what they're doing, and I would be able to do surgery under their hands. So, those are the guys I recommend. But just the holistic dentistry, biologic dentistry, the ISMI, the IAOCI. So, all these things I could give you for the shownotes and all the articles.
Ben: Yeah. Send those resources over and I will just email them to me and I will embed them in the shownotes for people who want to search for a dentist. Again, I'll put them at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/allinyourmouth for those of you who want to take the same steps as I have for myself and my family, and my dentist. It's still covered by insurance and many insurances will still cover biological dentistry, but I just love the peace of mind for me, for my wife, for my boys, knowing that we're not getting basically worse health going to the dentist in many cases. Yeah, perhaps a wider, more beautiful smile, but long-term, a lot of deleterious health implications. And, I'll also link to that documentary I mentioned, the “Root Cause,” which is pretty shocking as well. For those of you who want to sit down and watch it, you'll see why it got stripped off Netflix.
And Dominik, I want to thank you for your time and for writing this book, and also for sharing all this with us on the show today.
Dominik: Thank you very much for having me. It's my pleasure and my goal is to help as many people as possible get to this information. So, yes, it's all there, use it, and thank you very much.
Ben: Awesome. Alright, folks. Well, again, shownotes, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/allinyourmouth, and I'm Ben Greenfield along with Dr. Dominik Nischwitz signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com. Have an amazing week.
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I don't go to a regular dentist. Matter of fact, for reasons you'll discover in this podcast episode, I wouldn't personally step foot near a “regular” dentist's office. Instead, because I understand how profound an impact my teeth, gums, tongue, and oral cavity have on my entire biological system, I only work with a holistic dentist (in my case, Dr. Craig Simmons at the Holistic Dental Center of Spokane).
Due to my strong interest in this matter of dental health and holistic dentistry, I recently read a fantastic new book “It's All in Your Mouth: Biological Dentistry and the Surprising Impact of Oral Health on Whole Body Wellness” by holistic dentist Dr. Dominik Nischwitz.
This brand new, fully updated book highlights how the future of medicine―and the key to a healthier life―starts in your mouth, and how American dentists are beginning to discover what some of their European counterparts have long understood: Many common chronic conditions―obesity, inflammation, stroke, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, heart disease, and cancer, among others―often have their origins in the mouth. In a groundbreaking new work, Dr. Nischwitz presents the principles of biological dentistry along with emerging scientific research on the mouth’s vital role in the body’s microbiome―a key to whole-body wellness.
Challenging conventional dental wisdom that views the teeth as separate from the rest of the body, and conventional dental practices that often cause more harm than good, my podcast guest today, Dr. Nischwitz himself, lays out:
- The latest research on the microbiome and the mouth.
- Critical information on the dangers of root canals and amalgam fillings.
- The important role of nutrition in oral health and hygiene.
- A clarion call for a new approach to dentistry.
- And much more.
This episode offers a necessary new approach to natural immunity to chronic disease and integrating dental hygiene into whole-body health. Dr. Nischwitz is a holistic dentist and naturopath, a world specialist in biological dentistry and ceramic implants, and the president of the International Society of Metal Free Implantology (ISMI). In 2015, Dr. Nischwitz cofounded DNA Health and Aesthetics, Center for Biological Dentistry with his father in Tübingen, Germany. A pioneer in the field of holistic odontology, Dr. Nischwitz regularly gives lectures and trainings around the world.
During this discussion, you'll discover:
-Dr. Nischwitz's and Ben's personal oral care regimens…6:53
- Regular tooth brushing
- No unnatural substances in the mouth
- Coconut oil or Ayurvedic herbs
- Daily lifestyle and nutrition are more important than actual mouth care
- Doesn't recommend flossing if you have completely healthy teeth
- Electric toothbrush can avoid brushing too hard
- Look for silica or silicon dioxide as an abrasive
- Beware of titanium dioxide as an ingredient (E-171)
- Article on the hazards of charcoal toothpaste (purchase required)
- 1.5-2 minutes of brushing with electric toothbrush
- Oil pulling is a regular practice (helps the oral microbiome)
- Ben's DIY oil pull method:
- Electric tooth berry extract from Maui
- Organic spilanthes berry seeds (electric tooth berry)
- Floss only if foods get stuck between the teeth (very rare if you have healthy teeth)
- Mighty Gum
- Slique Gum
- Lucy Nicotine Gum (use code BEN20 to save 20% off your first order)
-An overview of holistic dentistry…23:46
- Overlap of functional medicine and high-tech dentistry with the goal of optimal health by starting in the mouth
- Remove all metals from the mouth under special precautions
- Remove all root-canal treated teeth and “cavitations”
- Amalgam contains 50% mercury (a common filling)
- Allergies and toxicity are common problems
- EMFs are an increasing issue
- The mercury in a filling can spread to the jaw and even the brain within 24 hours of being filled
- Ceramic implants are being used rather than metals
- Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt
- 70% of chronic diseases begin in the mouth
-The link between the nervous system and the teeth…38:50
- A study conducted with electro-acupuncture found that each tooth is connected with different organs
- IBS, chronic fatigue, high cortisol levels can be traced to previous procedures, ex. wisdom teeth removed
- Dominik had a case of chronic back pain go away after a holistic dental surgery
- Oral health affects the vagus nerve
- Holistic dentistry is not well-researched in the dental field
- FDA says that everything in your teeth (fillings, implants, etc.) is a device, thus does not need to be viewed from a toxicological point of view
-Whether or not wisdom teeth really need to be removed…50:56
- Weston A. Price studied endogenous peoples such as aborigines and found they had perfectly aligned teeth, perfect spines, good breathing, etc.
- Newer generations on Western diet was a different story
- The microbiome is passed down from the mother
- Breastfeeding should be done minimum of 18 months; activates the lower jaw to grow
- Wisdom teeth should grow naturally if the mouth is taken care of as a child
- Wisdom become “impacted” if they don't have space to come out
- Impacted teeth cause chronic inflammation
-How chewing assists with the production of TH-17 immune factor cells…58:42
- TH-17 cells are correlated with autoimmune problems
- Chewing prompts saliva production
- Microbiome in the mouth is far more diversified than other parts of the body
- A conventional dentist is concerned only with the bite, whether there is pain or not
- Chronic diseases may not necessarily be painful
- Netflix pulls controversial documentary that claims root canals cause cancer
- Mold and Lyme disease are common conditions Dominik sees in his initial consultations
- Immune system becomes more aggressive
-What pellicles are, and how saliva helps take care of them…1:07:48
- Pellicle is a thin coat on top of the teeth (like a tiny net on top of the tooth)
- Protects the enamel from grinding, looseness in the mouth, etc.
- Saliva contains building blocks for pellicles and mineralization of the teeth
- PH levels drop when you eat; covered by saliva and pellicles
- Problems come when you eat excessively acidic foods
- Maintain adequate minerals, hydration, oil pulling, etc.
- Taking care of the pellicles and maintaining proper saliva production helps prevent bacteria building that causes inflammation and toxicity that can spread to other organs
- Dental work disrupts the mouth microbiome
- Saliva is an electrolyte; metals in the mouth can be problematic
- BGF podcast with Dr. David Minkoff
- BGF podcast with Dr. Dan Pompa
-How to find a holistic dentist near you…1:20:46
-And much more…
Resources from this episode:
– BGF podcasts:
- on Metal Detoxification:
- How Hidden Sources Of Heavy Metals Are Destroying Your Health, And What You Can Do About It.
- The Crucial Do’s And Don’ts Of Heavy Metal Testing And Metal Detoxification.
- Special Episode: How I’m Going To Completely Detox My Body In 2018 (Detox Myths Busted, Detox 101, Advanced Detox Strategies & Much More!)
- The Most Effective Detox You’ve Never Heard Of (And Exactly How To Do It).
- on EMF
- The Shocking Truth About You Getting “EMF’D”: 5G, Wi-Fi & Cell Phones – Hidden Harms & How To Protect Yourself
- How To Reverse The Damage From Cell Phone Radiation, Hidden Sources Of EMF, The Best Way To Measure Your EMF Exposure & Much More With Dr. Joseph Mercola!
- The Non-Tinfoil Guide to EMFs: How to Fix Our Stupid Use of Technology (& The Real Research On WiFi Health, Cell Phones, Dirty Electricity & More!)
- Netflix pulls controversial documentary that claims root canals cause cancer – article from The Guardian
- The hazards of charcoal toothpaste (purchase required) – Article from Nature
- Biological Dentistry – Article from DNA Health and Aesthetics
- Root 2 Disease – DNA Health and Aesthetics
- Metal removal – DNA Health and Aesthetics
- Food Design according to Dr. Dominik Nischwitz
- How to successfully place ceramic implants – ISMI
– Other resources:
- Coconut oil
- Ayurvedic herbs
- Pulling Oil
- Extra virgin coconut oil
- Walnut oil
- Clove and Mint essential oil
- Electric tooth berry extract from Maui
- Organic spilanthes berry seeds (electric toothberry)
- Mighty Gum
- Slique Gum
- Lucy nicotine gum (use code BEN20 to save 20% off your first order)
- The Swiss Mountain Clinic
- Root Cause – Netflix documentary
- Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt
- Youtube video: New patients – your biological week at the DNA Health & Aesthetics Center
- IAOCI: the US Ceramic Implant Society
- ISMI: International Society of Metal-Free Implantology
- Holistic Dentist Dr. Craig Simmons at the Holistic Dental Center of Spokane
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